According to their plan, the first 2*3.5TeV collisions will be performed the 30-th of March. I’m scared, but can not do anything, - all ways lead to catastrophe. LHC/CERN.
Subject: According to their plan, the first 2*3.5TeV collisions will be performed the 30-th of March. I’m scared, but can not do anything, - all ways lead to catastrophe. LHC/CERN.
On Mar 10, 7:50 pm, PD <thedraperfam...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Mar 10, 7:11 am, Magnetic <magnetic.t...@yandex.ua> wrote:
> > I’m scared, but can not do anything, - all ways lead to catastrophe.
> This line was your most honest and straightforward. Yes, it's obvious > you are scared out of your wits. Yes, it's good that you realize there > is nothing dramatic you should do.
> You should get help for your mental state, to get rid of your panicky > anxiety, and to learn how to recognize when you are pinning your fears > irrationally on something that doesn't deserve it.
Thank you. I have a small hope that physicists of CERN would understand that they can explode the Earth with probability of about 50%, and stop the LHC.
According to their plan, the first 2*3.5TeV collisions will be performed the 30-th of March.
Subject: Re: According to their plan, the first 2*3.5TeV collisions will be performed the 30-th of March. I’m scared, but can not do anything, - all ways lead to catastrophe. LHC/CERN.
> Thank you. I have a small hope that physicists of CERN would > understand that they can explode the Earth with probability of about > 50%, and stop the LHC.
Subject: Re: According to their plan, the first 2*3.5TeV collisions will be performed the 30-th of March. I’m scared, but can not do anything, - all ways lead to catastrophe. LHC/CERN.
> On Mar 10, 7:50 pm, PD <thedraperfam...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Mar 10, 7:11 am, Magnetic <magnetic.t...@yandex.ua> wrote:
> > > I’m scared, but can not do anything, - all ways lead to catastrophe.
> > This line was your most honest and straightforward. Yes, it's obvious > > you are scared out of your wits. Yes, it's good that you realize there > > is nothing dramatic you should do.
> > You should get help for your mental state, to get rid of your panicky > > anxiety, and to learn how to recognize when you are pinning your fears > > irrationally on something that doesn't deserve it.
> Thank you. I have a small hope that physicists of CERN would > understand that they can explode the Earth with probability of about > 50%, and stop the LHC.
The problem is, the probability is not that high.
There is always risk in anything that anybody does. It is risky to walk to the bathroom in the morning. However, the risk is small.
Nobody can assure you that what physicists do is COMPLETELY without risk. But the risk is very, very, very, very, very small. And you're going to have to live with that.
> According to their plan, the first 2*3.5TeV collisions will be > performed the 30-th of March.
Yes, and you're going to see on April 1 that you are still alive. Why would you live your life in fear, when you can get treatment and have the fears disappear?
Subject: Re: According to their plan, the first 2*3.5TeV collisions will be performed the 30-th of March. I’m scared, but can not do anything, - all ways lead to catastrophe. LHC/CERN.
Magnetic wrote: > On Mar 10, 7:50 pm, PD <thedraperfam...@gmail.com> wrote: >> On Mar 10, 7:11 am, Magnetic <magnetic.t...@yandex.ua> wrote:
>>> I’m scared, but can not do anything, - all ways lead to catastrophe. >> This line was your most honest and straightforward. Yes, it's obvious >> you are scared out of your wits. Yes, it's good that you realize there >> is nothing dramatic you should do.
>> You should get help for your mental state, to get rid of your panicky >> anxiety, and to learn how to recognize when you are pinning your fears >> irrationally on something that doesn't deserve it.
> Thank you. I have a small hope that physicists of CERN would > understand that they can explode the Earth with probability of about > 50%, and stop the LHC.
> According to their plan, the first 2*3.5TeV collisions will be > performed the 30-th of March.
Subject: Re: According to their plan, the first 2*3.5TeV collisions will be performed the 30-th of March. I’m scared, but can not do anything, - all ways lead to catastrophe. LHC/CERN.
> Magnetic wrote: > > On Mar 10, 7:50 pm, PD <thedraperfam...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> On Mar 10, 7:11 am, Magnetic <magnetic.t...@yandex.ua> wrote:
> >>> I’m scared, but can not do anything, - all ways lead to catastrophe. > >> This line was your most honest and straightforward. Yes, it's obvious > >> you are scared out of your wits. Yes, it's good that you realize there > >> is nothing dramatic you should do.
> >> You should get help for your mental state, to get rid of your panicky > >> anxiety, and to learn how to recognize when you are pinning your fears > >> irrationally on something that doesn't deserve it.
> > Thank you. I have a small hope that physicists of CERN would > > understand that they can explode the Earth with probability of about > > 50%, and stop the LHC.
> > According to their plan, the first 2*3.5TeV collisions will be > > performed the 30-th of March.
Subject: Re: According to their plan, the first 2*3.5TeV collisions will be performed the 30-th of March. I’m scared, but can not do anything, - all ways lead to catastrophe. LHC/CERN.
Subject: Re: According to their plan, the first 2*3.5TeV collisions will be performed the 30-th of March. I’m scared, but can not do anything, - all ways lead to catastrophe. LHC/CERN.
Subject: Re: According to their plan, the first 2*3.5TeV collisions will be performed the 30-th of March. I’m scared, but can not do anything, - all ways lead to catastrophe. LHC/CERN.
> No, not like this. LHC is a special kind of black hole which attracts > money. Just another monstrous project doomed to accomplish nothing.
> VLV
That depends on what you mean by "accomplish nothing." Do you consider fundamental research that is done purely for knowledge and without an eye to application to be accomplishing nothing?
Subject: Re: According to their plan, the first 2*3.5TeV collisions will be performed the 30-th of March. I’m scared, but can not do anything, - all ways lead to catastrophe. LHC/CERN.
>>No, not like this. LHC is a special kind of black hole which attracts >>money. Just another monstrous project doomed to accomplish nothing.
>>VLV
> That depends on what you mean by "accomplish nothing." Do you consider > fundamental research that is done purely for knowledge and without an > eye to application to be accomplishing nothing?
Subject: Re: According to their plan, the first 2*3.5TeV collisions will be performed the 30-th of March. I’m scared, but can not do anything, - all ways lead to catastrophe. LHC/CERN.
> >>No, not like this. LHC is a special kind of black hole which attracts > >>money. Just another monstrous project doomed to accomplish nothing.
> >>VLV
> > That depends on what you mean by "accomplish nothing." Do you consider > > fundamental research that is done purely for knowledge and without an > > eye to application to be accomplishing nothing?
> No new knowledge.
On the contrary, we KNOW the Standard Model of particle interactions has to break down at the energy scale probed by the LHC. There are many possibilities here, some of them more likely than others. Whichever of these outcomes turns out to be right, or if something else entirely shows itself, we are *guaranteed* a dramatic revision of our understanding of nature. This is about as sure a bet as you can have, in terms of new knowledge.
Or don't you consider new knowledge about fundamental particle interactions new knowledge?
Subject: Re: According to their plan, the first 2*3.5TeV collisions will be performed the 30-th of March. I’m scared, but can not do anything, - all ways lead to catastrophe. LHC/CERN.
>>>>No, not like this. LHC is a special kind of black hole which attracts >>>>money. Just another monstrous project doomed to accomplish nothing.
>>>That depends on what you mean by "accomplish nothing." Do you consider >>>fundamental research that is done purely for knowledge and without an >>>eye to application to be accomplishing nothing?
>>No new knowledge.
> On the contrary, we KNOW the Standard Model of particle interactions > has to break down at the energy scale probed by the LHC. There are > many possibilities here, some of them more likely than others. > Whichever of these outcomes turns out to be right, or if something > else entirely shows itself, we are *guaranteed* a dramatic revision of > our understanding of nature. This is about as sure a bet as you can > have, in terms of new knowledge.
> Or don't you consider new knowledge about fundamental particle > interactions new knowledge?
The results will be inconclusive as usual. There would be offered 10 explanations why, published 10000 papers, and, after passionate discussions at symposiums, everyone will agree that the LHC design was wrong and insufficient and yet larger colider has to be built. This time it must be a break through, we know this for sure, etc. etc.
Subject: Re: According to their plan, the first 2*3.5TeV collisions will be performed the 30-th of March. I’m scared, but can not do anything, - all ways lead to catastrophe. LHC/CERN.
> >>>>No, not like this. LHC is a special kind of black hole which attracts > >>>>money. Just another monstrous project doomed to accomplish nothing.
> >>>That depends on what you mean by "accomplish nothing." Do you consider > >>>fundamental research that is done purely for knowledge and without an > >>>eye to application to be accomplishing nothing?
> >>No new knowledge.
> > On the contrary, we KNOW the Standard Model of particle interactions > > has to break down at the energy scale probed by the LHC. There are > > many possibilities here, some of them more likely than others. > > Whichever of these outcomes turns out to be right, or if something > > else entirely shows itself, we are *guaranteed* a dramatic revision of > > our understanding of nature. This is about as sure a bet as you can > > have, in terms of new knowledge.
> > Or don't you consider new knowledge about fundamental particle > > interactions new knowledge?
> The results will be inconclusive as usual. There would be offered 10 > explanations why, published 10000 papers, and, after passionate > discussions at symposiums, everyone will agree that the LHC design was > wrong and insufficient and yet larger colider has to be built. This time > it must be a break through, we know this for sure, etc. etc.
What would constitute conclusiveness to you? A final theory? Why?
No one has ever said that the Tevatron design was wrong and insufficient. It did exactly what it was intended to do, and it also produced more physics than what was ever anticipated at the time it was built. Nevertheless, what we learned as a *result* of the Tevatron pointed us clearly toward the new physics that would have to be found at the LHC.
Is it your aspiration that one day we would be DONE, having nothing further to learn, and so nothing more to explore? Why on earth would you want that?
Subject: Re: According to their plan, the first 2*3.5TeV collisions will be performed the 30-th of March. I’m scared, but can not do anything, - all ways lead to catastrophe. LHC/CERN.
>>>>>>No, not like this. LHC is a special kind of black hole which attracts >>>>>>money. Just another monstrous project doomed to accomplish nothing.
>>>>>That depends on what you mean by "accomplish nothing." Do you consider >>>>>fundamental research that is done purely for knowledge and without an >>>>>eye to application to be accomplishing nothing?
>>>>No new knowledge.
>>>On the contrary, we KNOW the Standard Model of particle interactions >>>has to break down at the energy scale probed by the LHC. There are >>>many possibilities here, some of them more likely than others. >>>Whichever of these outcomes turns out to be right, or if something >>>else entirely shows itself, we are *guaranteed* a dramatic revision of >>>our understanding of nature. This is about as sure a bet as you can >>>have, in terms of new knowledge.
>>>Or don't you consider new knowledge about fundamental particle >>>interactions new knowledge?
>>The results will be inconclusive as usual. There would be offered 10 >>explanations why, published 10000 papers, and, after passionate >>discussions at symposiums, everyone will agree that the LHC design was >>wrong and insufficient and yet larger colider has to be built. This time >>it must be a break through, we know this for sure, etc. etc.
> What would constitute conclusiveness to you? A final theory? Why?
> No one has ever said that the Tevatron design was wrong and > insufficient. It did exactly what it was intended to do, and it also > produced more physics than what was ever anticipated at the time it > was built. Nevertheless, what we learned as a *result* of the Tevatron > pointed us clearly toward the new physics that would have to be found > at the LHC.
> Is it your aspiration that one day we would be DONE, having nothing > further to learn, and so nothing more to explore? Why on earth would > you want that?
Yea, yea. Pyramids and stonehenges were built in attempt to get better mutual understanding with gods. The best minds of those days stongly advised temporal rulers to invest into that; besides, it seemed like they are accomplishing some result. On the contrary, most if not all important discoveries were done with very limited resources and without monstrosity and pomposity. What I am saying is Standard Model got stuck; there is a need for new ideas.
Subject: Re: Re: According to their plan, the first 2*3.5TeV collisions will be performed the 30-th of March. I’m scared, but can not do anything, - all ways lead to catastrophe. LHC/CERN.
> What I am saying is Standard Model got > stuck; there is a need for new ideas.
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Antony Garrett Lisi, has proposed a theory of particle physics based on the Lie group E8 (discovered and researched by Wilhelm Killing and Elie Cartan). Lisi's theory is described as associating 226 known fundamental particles with 226 of the 248 symmetries of E8, with the balance presumably corresponding to as-yet-undiscovered particles.
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Subject: Re: According to their plan, the first 2*3.5TeV collisions will be performed the 30-th of March. I’m scared, but can not do anything, - all ways lead to catastrophe. LHC/CERN.
> >>>>>>No, not like this. LHC is a special kind of black hole which attracts > >>>>>>money. Just another monstrous project doomed to accomplish nothing.
> >>>>>That depends on what you mean by "accomplish nothing." Do you consider > >>>>>fundamental research that is done purely for knowledge and without an > >>>>>eye to application to be accomplishing nothing?
> >>>>No new knowledge.
> >>>On the contrary, we KNOW the Standard Model of particle interactions > >>>has to break down at the energy scale probed by the LHC. There are > >>>many possibilities here, some of them more likely than others. > >>>Whichever of these outcomes turns out to be right, or if something > >>>else entirely shows itself, we are *guaranteed* a dramatic revision of > >>>our understanding of nature. This is about as sure a bet as you can > >>>have, in terms of new knowledge.
> >>>Or don't you consider new knowledge about fundamental particle > >>>interactions new knowledge?
> >>The results will be inconclusive as usual. There would be offered 10 > >>explanations why, published 10000 papers, and, after passionate > >>discussions at symposiums, everyone will agree that the LHC design was > >>wrong and insufficient and yet larger colider has to be built. This time > >>it must be a break through, we know this for sure, etc. etc.
> > What would constitute conclusiveness to you? A final theory? Why?
> > No one has ever said that the Tevatron design was wrong and > > insufficient. It did exactly what it was intended to do, and it also > > produced more physics than what was ever anticipated at the time it > > was built. Nevertheless, what we learned as a *result* of the Tevatron > > pointed us clearly toward the new physics that would have to be found > > at the LHC.
> > Is it your aspiration that one day we would be DONE, having nothing > > further to learn, and so nothing more to explore? Why on earth would > > you want that?
> Yea, yea. Pyramids and stonehenges were built in attempt to get better > mutual understanding with gods.
As I said, do you have a problem with fundamental research without an eye to application and think all of that is a waste of time? You said no new knowledge would come of that.
> The best minds of those days stongly > advised temporal rulers to invest into that; besides, it seemed like > they are accomplishing some result. On the contrary, most if not all > important discoveries were done with very limited resources and without > monstrosity and pomposity.
And most of the discoveries today are still being done with very limited resources and a small group of researchers. However, it's also true that in a few areas, larger investments have made, and it's no different today than it was back then.
> What I am saying is Standard Model got > stuck; there is a need for new ideas.
As I told you, those new ideas are precisely in play at the LHC because we already know the Standard Model breaks at the 1 TeV scale. You are asking for new ideas to be tested, and the LHC is providing that for you. Why are you chagrined again?
From: John Larkin <jjlar...@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com>
Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2010 15:35:34 -0800
Local: Fri, Mar 12 2010 7:35 pm
Subject: Re: According to their plan, the first 2*3.5TeV collisions will be performed the 30-th of March. I’m scared, but can not do anything, - all ways lead to catastrophe. LHC/CERN.
<magnetic.t...@yandex.ua> wrote: >On Mar 10, 7:50 pm, PD <thedraperfam...@gmail.com> wrote: >> On Mar 10, 7:11 am, Magnetic <magnetic.t...@yandex.ua> wrote:
>> > I’m scared, but can not do anything, - all ways lead to catastrophe.
>> This line was your most honest and straightforward. Yes, it's obvious >> you are scared out of your wits. Yes, it's good that you realize there >> is nothing dramatic you should do.
>> You should get help for your mental state, to get rid of your panicky >> anxiety, and to learn how to recognize when you are pinning your fears >> irrationally on something that doesn't deserve it.
>Thank you. I have a small hope that physicists of CERN would >understand that they can explode the Earth with probability of about >50%, and stop the LHC.
>According to their plan, the first 2*3.5TeV collisions will be >performed the 30-th of March.
Subject: Re: According to their plan, the first 2*3.5TeV collisions will be performed the 30-th of March. I’m scared, but can not do anything, - all ways lead to catastrophe. LHC/CERN.
On Mar 12, 4:37 pm, Vladimir Vassilevsky <nos...@nowhere.com> wrote:
>On the contrary, most if not all > important discoveries were done with very limited resources and without > monstrosity and pomposity.
> VLV
And also done without peer reviewed science. Funny how the psuedo science needs peer review. How much peer needed to convince the masses that the science behind the nuclear bomb was correct?
Subject: Re: According to their plan, the first 2*3.5TeV collisions will be performed the 30-th of March. I’m scared, but can not do anything, - all ways lead to catastrophe. LHC/CERN.
On Mar 12, 11:14 am, Vladimir Vassilevsky <nos...@nowhere.com> wrote:
> PD wrote: > > That depends on what you mean by "accomplish nothing." Do you consider > > fundamental research that is done purely for knowledge and without an > > eye to application to be accomplishing nothing?
> No new knowledge.
the knoledge its the standard model! it has to be verified by observation. no other cyclotron can reproduce as close as posible the conditions of the bb
i can agree with you that there are many more creative ways to proceed when you have money limitations and that can be directly applied to engineering even when the results are not shown on a screen by a detector.
Subject: Re: According to their plan, the first 2*3.5TeV collisions will be performed the 30-th of March. I’m scared, but can not do anything, - all ways lead to catastrophe. LHC/CERN.
> >> > I’m scared, but can not do anything, - all ways lead to catastrophe.
> >> This line was your most honest and straightforward. Yes, it's obvious > >> you are scared out of your wits. Yes, it's good that you realize there > >> is nothing dramatic you should do.
> >> You should get help for your mental state, to get rid of your panicky > >> anxiety, and to learn how to recognize when you are pinning your fears > >> irrationally on something that doesn't deserve it.
> >Thank you. I have a small hope that physicists of CERN would > >understand that they can explode the Earth with probability of about > >50%, and stop the LHC.
> >According to their plan, the first 2*3.5TeV collisions will be > >performed the 30-th of March.
> The energies that they can create are microscopic compared to a > healthy cosmic ray.
> CERN : 3.5e12 ev per particle
> GOD : 3e20 ev per particle
> That last number packs about 50 joules into what is probably *one* > proton.
Existence of high energy cosmic rays (protons or ions) does not give any guarantee that the same particle collisions are safe at head-on colliders.
Indeed dangerous particle condensate (Condensate) can be created at both cases.
It is obvious that Condensate has its rest energy and binding energy.
It was proved that total binding energy of Condensate is smaller than kinetic energy of atmospheric particles in the system of Condensate, if it was created by collision of cosmic particle with atmospheric one. Consequently, cosmo-atmospheric Condensate would be ruined immediately. But collider Condensate will not be ruined and it can grow, if this growth is permitted by physical laws.
Till now there were theoretically described several types of Condensates: pion condensate, stranglet, magnetized vacuum, magnetic vacuum domain, magnetic holes and so on. In fact, the mentioned types of condensates are different approximations to one and the same Condensate, which can be created in Nature or in a physical experiment. These approximations were grounded on different types of forces. I tried to investigate Condensate, which is connected presumably by magnetic forces. Now I can see that my results coincide quite good with the results, received in the investigations of Condensate, connected by pions (pion condensate, Migdal), gluon condensate (Savvidy), sea quark-antiquark pairs, strange quarks...
The main conclusion: Condensate can be created at particle collision with energy of about 1-TeV per particle.
It is clear, at least for me, that microscopic droplet of Condensate will be created very soon at LHC. This can lead to further rapid explosion of Earth and extermination of our Civilization. Particle physicists will not stop their experiments, because the stop of these high-energy experiments will mean that they do recognize that these collisions are really dangerous for the whole Earth. The recognition of the danger will mean that most of particle physicists are already criminals or global terrorists, - they did not stop their dangerous experiments despite court cases and disputes, lasting nearly ten years.
So, dear citizens, be ready to near death. You all will be murdered soon by criminals, who name themselves as scientists.
Subject: Re: According to their plan, the first 2*3.5TeV collisions will be performed the 30-th of March. I’m scared, but can not do anything, - all ways lead to catastrophe. LHC/CERN.
> explosion of Earth and extermination of our Civilization. Particle > physicists will not stop their experiments, because the stop of these > high-energy experiments will mean that they do recognize that these > collisions are really dangerous for the whole Earth. The recognition > of the danger will mean that most of particle physicists are already > criminals or global terrorists, - they did not stop their dangerous > experiments despite court cases and disputes, lasting nearly ten > years.
In my opinion, calling people "criminal" is a very serious accusation.
From: John Tserkezis <j...@techniciansyndrome.org.invalid>
Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2010 20:24:38 +1100
Local: Sat, Mar 13 2010 5:24 am
Subject: Re: According to their plan, the first 2*3.5TeV collisions will be performed the 30-th of March. I’m scared, but can not do anything, - all ways lead to catastrophe. LHC/CERN.
> In my opinion, calling people "criminal" is a very serious accusation.
Perhaps, but it doesn't matter. "Magnetic" is a kook, and hopefully, as per my original statement, one of the collisions will cause a black hole to form, sucking in all these kooks. Then they won't matter anymore.
Either that, or it will create a rip in the space-time continuum, creating a wormhole if you will, between us and some random alien universe.
And in *that* case, I want to welcome our new visitors, and suggest they start with a small meal after their long journey - of some very tasty kooks.
Subject: Re: According to their plan, the first 2*3.5TeV collisions will be performed the 30-th of March. I’m scared, but can not do anything, - all ways lead to catastrophe. LHC/CERN.
> > explosion of Earth and extermination of our Civilization. Particle > > physicists will not stop their experiments, because the stop of these > > high-energy experiments will mean that they do recognize that these > > collisions are really dangerous for the whole Earth. The recognition > > of the danger will mean that most of particle physicists are already > > criminals or global terrorists, - they did not stop their dangerous > > experiments despite court cases and disputes, lasting nearly ten > > years.
> In my opinion, calling people "criminal" is a very serious accusation.
> /Mens rea/ is Latin and translates to "guilty mind".
> So it's up to you to come up with some "guilty mind" argument. > I don't see any "intent to destroy the Earth", or anything of the sort.
> David Bernier
David Bernier, if you don't see any "intent to destroy the Earth", then you and such blind as you are criminals and idiots. You can not give any guarantee that some of these reactions will not explode the Earth.
Subject: Re: According to their plan, the first 2*3.5TeV collisions will be performed the 30-th of March. I’m scared, but can not do anything, - all ways lead to catastrophe. LHC/CERN.
Discussion subject changed to "According to their plan, the first 2*3.5TeV collisions will be performedthe 30-th of March. I’m scared, but can not do anything, - all ways lead to catastrophe. LHC/CERN." by Michael A. Terrell
From: "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terr...@earthlink.net>
Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2010 11:02:12 -0500
Local: Sat, Mar 13 2010 12:02 pm
Subject: Re: According to their plan, the first 2*3.5TeV collisions will be performedthe 30-th of March. I’m scared, but can not do anything, - all ways lead to catastrophe. LHC/CERN.
> > In my opinion, calling people "criminal" is a very serious accusation.
> Perhaps, but it doesn't matter. "Magnetic" is a kook, and hopefully, > as per my original statement, one of the collisions will cause a black > hole to form, sucking in all these kooks. Then they won't matter anymore.
> Either that, or it will create a rip in the space-time continuum, > creating a wormhole if you will, between us and some random alien universe.
> And in *that* case, I want to welcome our new visitors, and suggest > they start with a small meal after their long journey - of some very > tasty kooks.
When nothing happens, he will be blaming them for all the runaway Toyotas.
-- Lead free solder is Belgium's version of 'Hold my beer and watch this!'
From: "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terr...@earthlink.net>
Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2010 11:02:59 -0500
Local: Sat, Mar 13 2010 12:02 pm
Subject: Re: According to their plan, the first 2*3.5TeV collisions will be performedthe 30-th of March. I’m scared, but can not do anything, - all ways lead to catastrophe. LHC/CERN.
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